US politics suck. (And I have no tea)

[averygoodun42]

Fetal Personhood and Criminalizing Abortions: A Prosecutor's Perspective.

"So, personhood for a cluster of cells means that abortion could equal aggravated murder. Really, do Republicans want us prosecuting girls and women for the aggravated homicide of their zygotes? Is that the plan here? Do they actually want to impose the death penalty, or will life in prison be sufficient to satisfy their pathological need to punish women for the crime of being sexually active? Of course, if the woman is guilty, so is the man who facilitates her in procuring an abortion – boys, if you take your girlfriend to Planned Parenthood for an abortion, we’re going to imprison you both for murder. It’s called a “conspiracy.” In case you were wondering.

But if that isn’t their goal, if they would say “of course we don’t want that,” well, then, I have to ask, “what the hell do you want?” Because if you actually believe that a zygote is a person, then how can you demand anything less than justice for the murder victim? Acceptance of less than full accountability means that the zygote has less meaningful protection for its personhood than other persons."


What she doesn't point out is that under some of personhood bills that are out there, a woman could be charged with murder (or at least manslaughter) for having a miscarriage.


Are you pro-life? Are you really?

I think the "pro-life" title is, in most cases, terribly ironic. I'm pro-life. I do think believe life is sacred and should be cherished and respected. I think the death penalty needs to be abolished because it does not cherish and respect the lives of humans. I'm also ardently pro-choice because I think (not believe, but THINK) abortion needs to be legal so as to help cherish and respect the life of those already born.

No, the positions are really either anti-choice or pro-choice. I am anti-abortion/pro-choice. It is possible to be so without being a hypocrite because who am I to say what's an immoral decision for someone else? That would be me judging based upon my set of ethics, experiences and circumstances. The only other being who might possibly have a say in my (or anyone elses) moral decisions is God. If you believe in that. But I do know that when I thought of aborting Page's fetus, it felt evil. So I chose to carry him. Hence being anti-abortion/pro-CHOICE.


How Romney Would Treat Women

And this is why I will move out of the country if Romney is elected. It may take a year or so to make it happen, but to plan to continue living in a country where my opinions and decisions are considered beside the point just because of my sex is not only insulting, but untenable. And I just don't have the energy to fight against what seems to be the rising tide.

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[shiv5468.livejournal.com]

You can guarantee that menfolk will never end up in prison for fathering children, as it's always the woman's fault.

And women are already being charged with manslaughter for not behaving properly when pregnant, and being denied treatment because they are / might be pregnant and the treatment would harm the fetus.

[averygoodun.livejournal.com]

I don't know... I can see it happening on the rare occasion when a boy refuses to marry the girl he's got preggers, helps her abort the fetus, and the father of the girl is a psycho-fanatic fundie. But on the whole, yeah, you're right.

I know. It's... mind-boggling. But I was talking about natural miscarriages. How can you defend that you did nothing wrong? Besides the whole "God's will" argument...

Bah.

[kribu.livejournal.com]

I'm so bloody tired of people treating pro-choice as being "pro-abortion". In most cases they make it sound like everyone pro-choice is pro-abortion in the sense of "always abort; abortion is always the only option".

Which, just. No.

Also, the impression I've got of "pro-life" people is that a huge share of them stop caring the moment the choice to carry the child to term is made. The impression I've got is that the "pro-life" people are often also those the most ardently anti-any-sort-of-state-support - the people who believe that "well, you had a baby, deal with it". There is remarkably little interest in those babies once born (never mind the mothers or their lives, of course).

I'm vehemently pro-choice, and I'm also pretty anti-abortion - I don't think there is anything wrong with that stance. I've always considered that if I happened to get pregnant, I'd never abort unless for medical reasons - but I've also always felt pretty secure in that I could deal with having a baby, even if unplanned and even if I had to raise it without a father involved, without having to worry about how to feed it or clothe it or provide for it. Other people have other circumstances and other reasons.

[timestep.livejournal.com]

Well said. I've been so frustrated by the idea that we must protect the unborn but then ignore them when they are in this earth.

Just as frustrated by the idea that one interpretation of the bible should determine the rules even when other interpretations disagree. Why does their bible get to make my rules

[averygoodun.livejournal.com]

Indeed!

http://www.modernmormonmen.com/2012/10/the-case-for-barack-obama.html

That's another good article coming from a slightly different view, but with the same conclusion about what "pro-life" means.

[timestep.livejournal.com]

this is a great opinion piece. I love seeing that someone can look and both sides and come to a conclusion.

Rather than my 'friends' who have told me that they need to elect someone with real christian values and that Obama participates in infanticide. I'm so sick to my stomach over the views of these people.

AND, I love that he expressed the view that we need to care for children once they are on this earth with the same passion we care for these children before they are born. In fact, I believe it's more important (and I think the author did too).

[averygoodun.livejournal.com]

AMEN! ;-)

[paisleysnail.livejournal.com]

Totally get you on personally anti-abortion but pro other people having the choice.